Terry grew up in Fredrick county and has lived in Carroll County for 25 years. Terry talks about what it was like in Fredrick county when she was young, compared to now.
TIERRA SCOTT: Good afternoon. My name is Tierra Scott and I am interviewing with Terry Page. It is Thursday, October 28th. We are in conference services at McDaniel College. So, Terry. Tell me first. Where did you grow up?
TERRY PAGE: I grew up in Frederick County.
TIERRA SCOTT: OK. And how long have you lived in Carroll County?
TERRY PAGE: 25 years.
TIERRA SCOTT: Excellent. So tell me about your move to Carroll County.
TERRY PAGE: Um, actually, I moved to Carroll County from Howard County, um, after spending, um, a number of years living in Baltimore, in the Baltimore City area. Uh, so I’ve, sort of, almost come full circle, because I started out in Frederick County, moved to Baltimore City for a while, then moved to Howard County. Now I’m back in Carroll County, so I’m almost home, so to speak.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow.
TERRY PAGE: Frederick County is where I was born and raised.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow. You went around. So, what was the area like in Carroll County then when you moved here?
TERRY PAGE: Um, it was definitely much more rural. Uh, there was a lot of farmland. We didn’t have a mall. Um, there were many nice, family-owned, small businesses here. Um, and it did have an appeal to me for that reason. Um, because of the quaintness of the town and, um, we also had the opportunity to take advantage of a housing program here. And so that’s pretty much what brought us to the county.
TIERRA SCOTT: Great. Can you recall some of those, um, small businesses?
TERRY PAGE: Yes, I would love to. Um, and I’ll comment on one a little bit later on. But, um, one of them was Mather’s, which was on Main Street, and that was the great store that you got personal service and the creaky wood floors, and you could buy, uh, something as awesome as a crystal bowl for a wedding gift and also a Boy Scout uniform.
TIERRA SCOTT: Right.
TERRY PAGE: So, yes. That was one of the nice ones. There was also a hardware store in town that I absolutely loved. And it was the kind of place where you could walk in and say, I have this thing in my hand, I don’t know what it is, but I need another one.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow.
TERRY PAGE: And they would know exactly– Oh, that’s a whatever, and you’d be just great. And you know, they’d give it to you and you’d walk out with your little brown, paper bag. And that’s what– I do miss that. I do.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow.
TERRY PAGE: Mm-hmm.
TIERRA SCOTT: That sounds interesting. So, what did your family do for entertainment during those years in Carroll County?
TERRY PAGE: Well, we would go– we took advantage of a lot of the outdoor areas of Carroll County. We would go visit Hashawha. We would go to Hashawha Nature Center, which is off of 97. Um, we would go to Piney Run Park. We would go to Union Mills Homestead. Um, we never really engaged in any of the local– a lot of the real local stuff, like the carnivals and things. Ours was more, uh, let’s explore the county, in terms of the rural, outdoor area.
TIERRA SCOTT: Gotcha.
TERRY PAGE: Um, we did visit, um– we would go to the movies. There was a movie theater in downtown Westminster that was amazing, and we would go there for movies. Of course, that is now closed. Actually, it’s now the Carroll Art Center, but we went there to see movies. But we really took advantage of a lot of, uh, the outdoor stuff. Great.
TIERRA SCOTT: So, um, wow, tell me about that movie theater, because–
TERRY PAGE: It was small. It’s about the size that it was, um– or excuse me, that it is now– but, um, I think movies were a couple dollars. I think that they were probably– I don’t know if they were– when we moved in here, I think they might have been second-run movies or whatever they call that. Um, but it was small and, um, it was just a nice place to go, you know, during the day, like on a Saturday or Friday evening.
TIERRA SCOTT: And it was something that a lot of people did?
TERRY PAGE: Yes, definitely.
TIERRA SCOTT: Great.
TERRY PAGE: Mm-hmm.
TIERRA SCOTT: Cool. And what changes have you seen in the county?
TERRY PAGE: Well, to be perfectly honest with you, um, I– I don’t really feel that I’ve seen a lot of changes. And maybe I’m just not, you know, I just haven’t lived here long enough, but other than– yeah, there has been a lot more development. Um, and as a result of that, we’ve built more schools, and obviously, then that means there’s more population, and there’s more traffic, but in terms of, um, an urbanized area, I don’t– I don’t see Carroll County as urbanized. I don’t see it. That’s just me.
TIERRA SCOTT: And that’s important. That’s your– that’s an important perspective. And, um, what is one of the places you can think of or several places that used to be in Carroll County, but is no longer there and you hinted on one.
TERRY PAGE: Yes, I’m going to go back to the hardware store, the local hardware store, which is [INAUDIBLE], which is– used to be where the, um, I think the new fire hall is, in that area. And I just really– I loved going there. There’s something that’s very appealing about that, um, about being able to go into a store with a knowledgeable group of individuals who, you know– you don’t have to look through aisles and aisles and aisles of things. I mean, these are people that would cut rope for me, and cut the chains for me. And I could get the best lumber in town to build whatever project I wanted.
Um, they were– it was just– it was just the best thing to do. I mean, it was just great, to go in there, to be able to do that, rather than one of the large stores that we now have, where, you know, you don’t get the customer service. I mean, most of the people probably don’t know your name, where they got to know your name, because you’d go in there a lot, and you’d frequent it. So I do miss that. I do.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow. So, um, what experiences did you have with the rural county– Carroll County– life before it urbanized?
TERRY PAGE: Um, I’m just going to go back to a statement I made before. I don’t feel that Carroll County has urbanized.
TIERRA SCOTT: Right. Right.
TERRY PAGE: I do not.
TIERRA SCOTT: And how long have you worked in Carroll County?
TERRY PAGE: About 25 years.
TIERRA SCOTT: Great. Since you’ve been here.
TERRY PAGE: Mm-hmm.
TIERRA SCOTT: And what positions? Tell me about some of those.
TERRY PAGE: Um, for 15 years, I was a preschool teacher, um, at a local daycare center, um, that’s still in– in operation. That is one of the small businesses that is still in operation. Great, great day care center. And, um, then I also have worked here at the college. So those are the only two jobs that I’ve had since I’ve lived in Carroll County.
TIERRA SCOTT: So tell me about the daycare. What was the name of it?
TERRY PAGE: Little People’s Place Child Development Center.
TIERRA SCOTT: OK.
TERRY PAGE: Um, they originally started out in, um, the lower level of what was then the JCs’ building across from the, um, city, um, parks and recreation football and base– softball field, off of Union Town Road. And then the, the owner expanded and developed and built a much larger center. And I worked there for 14 and 1/2 years.
TIERRA SCOTT: Wow. And they’re still around.
TERRY PAGE: They are still around, which is tremendous. Good people. Great business, and great business model, and so they’ve done extremely well.
TIERRA SCOTT: Excellent. So tell me about, um, this– how the social climate in Carroll County has changed as the population has become more diverse.
TERRY PAGE: Um, I really haven’t seen a change in the social climate. I don’t notice any changes. I don’t notice any differences. Um, to me, it’s still the same as it was 25 years ago. The only thing I can, can where the social– well, maybe the social focus changed just a little bit was when we built the mall. So that was kind of a place where people kind of hung out. And– But the same things that people are going to today are the same things they were going to 25 years ago. I mean, we still have the 4H Fair We have– but I haven’t seen any– I don’t see any changes, but that’s just me.
TIERRA SCOTT: I gotcha. I got that. OK, and can you describe your personal experiences during any major national events that occurred while you lived here in Carroll County.
TERRY PAGE: Well, I will say that, um, I– I’m not, um, I’m not pretty crazy about the political climate here. Um, I feel that, um, um, diverse thinking is not necessarily respected well here in, in Carroll County. Um, you know, the only other thing that I can– I mean, and that’s– that’s just a, you know, if you’re referring to, like, a national event. You know, things like elections and things like that. I’m not sure what that question exactly meant, but I’m trying to– try– try to get a pulse on that.
And then the other thing is, is I think that 9/11 seemed to have a very big impact here, um, um, in the county, just in terms of, um– I just– I remember that day. I remember how the community itself was impacted, and students, and especially here on this campus, um, you know, I can still remember that day. So it was a– I think it was the one single event that I can remember since I’ve been in the county where I felt like the whole population in some way was affected by that. I hope that answers your question. I’m not–
TIERRA SCOTT: That’s exactly–
TERRY PAGE: –really sure.
TIERRA SCOTT: –what I was looking for. So, what stands out about that day to you? What do you remember?
TERRY PAGE: Um, I think, probably what stands out to be the most is my experience here on campus. I just remember, um– at that time, I had a different position, I was working in the college activities office– and that area of– of the Decker College Center seemed to be sort of a central nervous system area for students coming through. And I just remember there were a number of students who had parents that were either in New York–
There was one girl in particular whose father was working for the Pentagon, and I remember how hysterical she became. And I remember how we all just sort of took on these roles of being caregivers and nurturers, and kind of calming people down. I remember when the campus community came together and we all went to Big Baker Chapel, and we– we sort of celebrated, um, who we are as people and, um, sort of had our resolve at that point to not let– let our opinions about humanity in general be swayed one way or another. It was just, um, for a bad day, you walked away with a good feeling.
TIERRA SCOTT: Yup.
TERRY PAGE: Maybe that answered what you’re looking for.
TIERRA SCOTT: Yes, that is excellent. I– I can, kind of, agree and give my input that I remember 9/11– I wasn’t here in Carroll County– but the one thing that sticks out is how it kinda unified us. It was like, for one– for that instance, people didn’t really care about the differences so much.
TERRY PAGE: Right.
TIERRA SCOTT: And, so I totally understand what you’re– where you’re coming from. And, um, so now, tell me about any important issues or difficulties that you can recall having since you’ve been in Carroll County.
TERRY PAGE: Um, I– I really haven’t had any, you know, um–
TIERRA SCOTT: Challenges?
TERRY PAGE: No, I’ve not had any personal challenges here in the county.
TIERRA SCOTT: Excellent. And, describe the most significant change that you’ve seen over the years. I know you say, you don’t think it’s really urbanized. So, are there any significant changes that you can recognize?
TERRY PAGE: Not really on any levels. Not on any political levels. Not on any social levels. Um, I think that there has been a little– some movement toward, um, you know, some economic development here in the county, but other than more roads and more houses, I don’t really see any significant changes.
TIERRA SCOTT: Right.
TERRY PAGE: Um–
TIERRA SCOTT: So do you think the, um, more roads and more buildings– Do you think that really hasn’t changed life here in Carroll County?
TERRY PAGE: No, other than– other than the impact on the infrastructure. No. And by that, I’m talking about you know, probably, more roads now need to be repaired. More– more water and sewer systems need to be built, and, um, that, you know, that kind of thing, but I– I don’t– I don’t see that as an– as an urbanization, if you will, issue or– I don’t see that that way.
TIERRA SCOTT: Gotcha. Gotcha. So, what do you, um– Well, what would you tell a friend who had never been to Carroll County, about this community?
TERRY PAGE: I would tell them, um, that, um, it’s a great place to raise a family, but there’s not much of a cultural base here. Um, the town shuts down, uh, pretty early. Uh, there’s not enough to do and they need to study a planning model. Say, someplace like Frederick or even the Winchester, Virginia, which in some of their kind of city area, they’ve turned into a walking community where you know, the– the– the cars park on sort of the, the side streets and there’s no traffic through the, the main artery of the town.
And things stay open a little bit later and there’s more to do. Um, I just spent the weekend in Annapolis, um, going into Eastport and places like that where, like, it’s 10 or 11 o’clock at night, and there’s just this huge amount of nightlife, and in Carroll County, other than a few things that stay open, it just kind of shuts down and sort of rolls its sidewalks up.
So, other than that, I think it’s a fine place. They have excellent schools here. Both of my sons were educated here in the county, and I feel that they got a very good education. Um, but that’s really all I would have to say.
TIERRA SCOTT: Great. And, um, speaking of your, your children, can you tell me anything about what you perceive their experience here to be?
TERRY PAGE: Well, I can tell you that, I think, in terms of, um, what they, what they got education-wise was very, very good. Um, I– don’t think that we engaged in most of the traditional, social things of Carroll County, like– My children are in their 20s and they never went to a Carroll County carnival. Um, I think they went to the 4H Fair probably by me forcing them to go. Um, as they got older, a lot of their activities seemed to be out of the county, because there were other things going on that appealed to them more.
I can tell you that, um, I have a son that lives in Baltimore City, who has no desire to move back to Carroll County, and I have a son who is in college in Richmond who also does not want to return to Carroll County. He kinda likes that more urban lifestyle and so does my older son. And so, they probably will not come back here to live, at least at this point. It wasn’t a bad experience, I just don’t think it– it was as enriching for them, maybe, or– They’re, they’re just not as parochial in their thinking–
TIERRA SCOTT: Gotcha.
TERRY PAGE: –about the way they want to live.
TIERRA SCOTT: That’s an interesting point, because it kinda agrees with the statement that you say, you don’t really feel it’s urbanized here, you know. Your kids don’t really perceive this as an urbanized town.
TERRY PAGE: That is correct. They do not.
TIERRA SCOTT: That is excellent. So, is there anything that I haven’t touched on that you can just share with me about this community?
TERRY PAGE: Um, I can tell you this. Um, I will not retire here. Um, I will not make Carroll County my permanent home. I feel that I have other places to explore and enjoy. Um, I, I feel like, um um, in terms of my personal lifestyle, I want a little more diversity in my lifestyle, and I don’t think that I’m getting that in Carroll County.
I feel like I want, I want, um, I want to explore places that have a little more of a cultural base. More inter-generational folks, not just people my age, not just people younger than me, not people of a certain class– I just want to be able to live differently– I think retire in a place where there’s a little more diversity, so, um– But I have enjoyed living here. I’ve made a lot of friends here, but I probably will not retire here.
TIERRA SCOTT: Great. That is excellent. Um, I just appreciate all your comments and all your feedback. I can sense that you are a person who appreciates culture and diversity and interactions with different types of people and cultures, so I get that from you. And, um, once again, I just wanted to thank you, because you’ve provided some great information.
TERRY PAGE: Well, great. Thank you, and it was very nice to meet you, and I hope you’ll let us know how your study goes.
TIERRA SCOTT: Of course.
TERRY PAGE: Thanks.
TIERRA SCOTT: And that concludes–