William Charles Lovell

William was born in Westminster, MD, in 1914. He shares about his family and his childhood memories.

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INTERVIEWER 1: Today is November 19, 2011. We’re at the home of Charles Lovell in Union Bridge. Good morning, Charles.

CHARLES LOVELL: Good morning.

INTERVIEWER 1: Now, tell me your birth certificate name.

CHARLES LOVELL: William Charles Lovell.

INTERVIEWER 1: All right, and you’ve got nicknames?

CHARLES LOVELL: Call me Charlie.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK.

CHARLES LOVELL: Among other things I won’t mention.

INTERVIEWER 1: And when were you born?

CHARLES LOVELL: I was born in Westminster. But my folks lived in New Windsor at the time. She went down to visit her when I was born Visit her aunt who raised her. So after I was born then they brought me back to New Windsor.

INTERVIEWER 1: Charlie, what year were you born?

CHARLES LOVELL: 1914.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, and you were born in Westminster but lived in New Windsor.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Who were your parents? The name of your parents.

CHARLES LOVELL: Ah, my dad’s name was William D Lovell, Jr. My mother’s maiden name Goldie E. McClellan.

INTERVIEWER 1: McClellan?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, are you related to the Lovells around Carroll County?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Marker Lovell–

CHARLES LOVELL: Marker.

INTERVIEWER 1: He would have been what relationship to your dad?

CHARLES LOVELL: His, his father and my father were first cousins.

INTERVIEWER 1: What did your parents do for a living?

CHARLES LOVELL: My dad, I guess when I was born he worked in, in the post office in New Windsor. For his father who was post master.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK.

CHARLES LOVELL: His father was William D, SR then William D, JR

INTERVIEWER 1: OK. And um tell me about your grandfather. He was mayor also?

CHARLES LOVELL: My grandfather? Yes, um, Mayor of New Windsor several times I understand.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, and electricity that came to New Windsor. There was a street light?

CHARLES LOVELL: It was, yes. Pardon me?

INTERVIEWER 1: A street light?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes, ah, they had a powerhouse. Back of, uh, do you remember where they old post office was in New Windsor? Across the drugstore.

INTERVIEWER 1: Right.

CHARLES LOVELL: In back of that, In an alley back of that.

INTERVIEWER 1: Right.

CHARLES LOVELL: That was a powerhouse. A man from Union Bridge use to operate that. And I think it took care of the streetlights and what not in New Windsor. We didn’t have anything at our house at that time. Any electricity. Just took care of the streetlights, I think.

INTERVIEWER 1: And your father turned the streetlights off and on?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes. Yes, he had a skeleton key. He worked at the post office and– and all kinds of hours because we had a lot of, uh, train service, mail service in New Windsor. And, uh, it was usually dark when he went to work and dark when he came home,and one thing and another. He had a skeleton key. And he turned the street lights on at the corner of [INAUDIBLE] They had a switch there, and he turned, he had this, uh, skeleton key and he turned the lights on and off. When he went to work or when he came home from work. So rather than keep them on all night long.

INTERVIEWER 1: Where did you live in New Windsor? Where’d you grow up?

CHARLES LOVELL: Down by Dielman’s Inn. On that street.

INTERVIEWER 1: On Main Street or Bath Street?

CHARLES LOVELL: It was Bath Street. It was Bath Street and everybody called it Back Street. I lived four houses down from Dielman’s Inn.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, did you go to school in New Windsor?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Where was your school located?

CHARLES LOVELL: Ah, I don’t know the name of that street. Up near the college.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yeah, it would have been on Main Street.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yeah, it was on Main Street.

INTERVIEWER 1: It was a two story brick house–

CHARLES LOVELL: Two story, yeah.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yeah.

CHARLES LOVELL: Four room school house.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, and it’s now a private residence.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: But the building is still there.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes, its still there.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK. Did you ever play over at the Dielman Inn with any of the guests or children? Or did you know any of the workers that worked at the Dielman Inn?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes. The people by the name Green were custodians of the place. Roland Green and his wife– huh, I can’t think of her name.

INTERVIEWER 1: Was she a [INAUDIBLE] Green?

CHARLES LOVELL: Murray!

INTERVIEWER 1: OK,

CHARLES LOVELL: Murray Green, yes. They, they work, worked for Dielman.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you know Mr. Lou Dielman?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Can you describe him?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yeah, he was a distinguished looking gentleman. He, he, was probably interested in, ah, ah, different people that lived around New Windsor. Ah, I know, he, he goes to the cemeteries and writes the obituaries off the tombstones and what not. He was formally a, a farm assistant in New Windsor. And all of a sudden he ended as a, I think, librarian. One of the libraries in, uh, Baltimore.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yes, that’s what we understand. Where was his drugstore located?

CHARLES LOVELL: His drugstore– right besides the old post office. In the same building.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, so it was in that original building next to New Windsor State bank–

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes, yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: –that’s still there today.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes,that’s were it was.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, did you know Mr. Lovell’s sisters?

CHARLES LOVELL: Sister? No.

INTERVIEWER 1: Leana?

CHARLES LOVELL: No, I’ve, I’ve heard the name. No, I didn’t know her. In fact, I don’t– He didn’t live there all the time. Of course, he was in Baltimore. He’d come up there later years and have a win. His, his folks I think built that, or–

INTERVIEWER 1: His father purchased it in 1864.

CHARLES LOVELL: I think his– his father had it.

INTERVIEWER 1: When did electricity come to the homes in New Windsor? Do you remember?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, no I can’t remember. They had them before I was born. We didn’t have it until later on they a special. Put lights in and give you two lights, I guess to, for a special rate. So, we had two lights in the house.

INTERVIEWER 1: How old were you when that happened?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, I was in elementary school. Uh, pretty young. I can’t remember.

INTERVIEWER 1: So, you had to do your homework by oil lamp?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Very little of my work I did by electricity. Ha. That was at the kitchen table.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you have a well on your property?

CHARLES LOVELL: No, we had town water.

INTERVIEWER 1: You did have town water than? OK.

CHARLES LOVELL: That was, that was put in during my grandfather’s administration, I understand. It came from a spring outside of New Windsor. Out around Morrison. And, ah —

INTERVIEWER 1: It still does to this day.

CHARLES LOVELL: It still does.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yes.

CHARLES LOVELL: It’s still the same thing, yeah. I remember, uh, everybody was– wouldn’t work. Couldn’t get over the hills, ya’ know. They did.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yeah, that was quite an engineering feat. Well, can you tell me about some of the activities that you, um, solved going on at the Dielman Inn when you were a teenager.

CHARLES LOVELL: At,at where?

INTERVIEWER 1: At the Dielman Inn. Did they have parties?

CHARLES LOVELL: No. It was mostly, ah,ah, like a resort. People come out of the city, uh, beat the heat. And this, that, and the other thing. I remember the, ah, people were so different from us.

The way they talked and the way they acted. The ladies would dress up at the middle of the day and come– They had a– uh– it was like a ho– it was probably the lobby of the hotel. And they had the, they’d congregate there. They’d played the Chinese game, Mayshuang, Mahjong, or something to that effect. They’d sit around and play that. And dressed up.

And us kids, barefoot and in overalls. We’d peek in the window at them all dressed up and– They,ah, most of them were city people. Then we had the, ah, actors come in there at one time. A family of,ah, they were an acting family.

INTERVIEWER 1: They put on plays and skits?

CHARLES LOVELL: They put on, they put on plays and skits in the, in the lobby there. But they were professional people. I don’t know where they worked after every work, if they did work.

Ah, I– I could tell you this. Family of actors name of [INAUDIBLE]. They were sure weird people. And, ah, had a family. Teenagers, and what not, and anyhow, uh, I say they spoke differently from us. And acted differently. And ah, when I was a kid, I was barefoot and wore overalls.

And one day we were going away some place. And mother dressed, dressed me up. So, I walked up the street and, ah, one of those [INAUDIBLE] came in there. And she said, ah, well, hello ruffles. You’re all dolled up today. You must have been to Sunday school. The poor little lamb obeyed his mother. Well, I–

[LAUGHTER]

What’s this all about? How, I went home and told my aunt who lived next door to us, about this conversation. And, uh, there for a long time I was Ruffles.

[LAUGHTER]

So, but they were a different breed of people, that’s all. We would try them and see how they talked and what not.

INTERVIEWER 1: Well, I understand we had a celebrity living in the Dielman Inn by the name of Brigadier General Marion Moss.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: And you remember Mr., um, General Moss and his wife

CHARLES LOVELL: Real well.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK, can you describe them or talk about them?

CHARLES LOVELL: He used to go to church every Sunday from right across the street at the Methodist church. And he walked. Took really, little short steps walking, whatever his– we thought he was marching. You know, really, really little short steps. But he went every, every Sunday, he went to church.

And he had this car. An open car. He had to call a chauffeur from New Windsor. They had a uniform on him and everything. It was this type of car that, that had running boards. And you used to see, ah, parades and celebrities in open cars. Well, that’s the kind of car he had, he has. Spotlight on the fender, with the pedestal that the guy could operate from the inside. What the object of that was, I don’t know. Sam Hill operated it, I guess.

INTERVIEWER 1: Sam Hill was the chauffeur?

CHARLES LOVELL: He was the chauffeur. And, ah, he’d ah, He would haul around quite a bit. Misses, uh, Misses seemed to be a lot younger than General Moss. She was a nice looking lady. Slender lady. But she seemed a lot younger than him. In fact, we, we weren’t even too sure it was his wife. Ah, maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. I don’t know.

INTERVIEWER 1: Well, their, it, her wedding, their wedding has been documented.

CHARLES LOVELL: Has it?

INTERVIEWER 1: And we have a whole description. And he actually married a socialite. She, she was really in society in Washington when they met and married.

CHARLES LOVELL: That figures. That figures. That figures. Yeah, she seemed to be that type of person.

INTERVIEWER 1: Do you have any idea why they moved to New Windsor when Colonel Moss retired?

CHARLES LOVELL: No, I have no idea. I remember when I saw this in the paper about him dying. And I remember they had his casket in the, in the lobby. I call it the lobby.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yeah, of the Dielman Inn.

CHARLES LOVELL: And, it was, ah, 1930. Now, I don’t think he was buried in New Windsor.

INTERVIEWER 1: No, he was buried in Arlington Cemetery–

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, was he?

INTERVIEWER 1: With honors, yes.

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh.

INTERVIEWER 1: And she’s buried there also.

CHARLES LOVELL: Wash she? But I– I, ah, remember going in and seeing him. I guess was about, maybe I was about 16 years old at that time. But they had him in this, I thought, the lobby.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did they have a lot of visitors come to see them while they lived in New Windsor?

CHARLES LOVELL: I don’t think so. I, I don’t remember. Sure, so many people was coming and going up there, and–

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you know the Hibbard family?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: We have a picture of Mrs. Moss and she had signed it “To Nelly Hibbard.” And we wondered if there was any relationship there.

CHARLES LOVELL: That who?

INTERVIEWER 1: Nelly Hibbard.

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh yeah, Nelly, yeah, Nelly Hibbard. Living outside New Windsor. On a farm out there. Yeah, I remember. I can’t remember placing her or what she looked like. But, ah, I remember Nelly Hibbard, yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Now the Mosses lived in the Brick’s section of the Dielman Inn.

CHARLES LOVELL: Who did?

INTERVIEWER 1: The Moss. Mr. and Mrs. Moss lived in the Brick section there on High Street.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yeah. Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: And the public restrooms and the running water was over in the Inn. And they had to go outside to use those facilities. Do you remember that?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Can you describe that?

CHARLES LOVELL: No, I, I don’t. I– no, I can’t describe her. I remember how I use to go back, back behind there, and go out to use the facilities. It was, they had, ah they called them Franklin stoves in the fireplaces.

And they had them in all, well, all the rooms I guess. Including General [INAUDIBLE] quarters. You say he was in that Brick place right along Main, Main Street. But he’d get around. I don’t think he used a cane or anything. He, took those short, short steps.

INTERVIEWER 1: Well, being military, he was probably was used to,ah, ah Cadence walk.

CHARLES LOVELL: That’s what we figured. We always said about how they march out of church. I didn’t know it until Jack told me about the, ah, guy being connected with the Indian, ah–

INTERVIEWER 1: Wars?

CHARLES LOVELL: Whatever it was. I thought he was a Spanish/American war veteran. But they said, no. It was, ah–

INTERVIEWER 1: You know, it was when the military was sent to Arizona to fight the Indians.

CHARLES LOVELL: Indians, yes. I didn’t know it at that time until Jack told me. In fact, it was in the paper but I didn’t remember reading about the Indian business.

INTERVIEWER 1: Do you remember anything about his accident in Frederick?

CHARLES LOVELL: Who’s accident?

INTERVIEWER 1: General Moss.

CHARLES LOVELL: No, in his car?

INTERVIEWER 1: Yes.

CHARLES LOVELL: No, I don’t remember that.

INTERVIEWER 1: There was an article a newspaper that said he was driving erratically and hit a structure. When the police arrived they determined that something, some medical condition, had caused this. And they rushed him to a hospital.

CHARLES LOVELL: Really, I never heard that. I always thought Sam Hill drove him around. Maybe, maybe, they got Sam Hill after that. I don’t know.

INTERVIEWER 1: Yeah, I don’t know.

CHARLES LOVELL: Well, I remember the car real well. I, ah. Never heard that.

INTERVIEWER 1: So, so when you grew up in New Windsor. And you, did you marry? Did you have a wife?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER: And then where did you move to or where did you live?

CHARLES LOVELL: I didn’t have a wife when I was in New Windsor.

INTERVIEWER: OK

CHARLES LOVELL: So– so I’ll say I lived, ah, down below Dielman’s Inn–

INTERVIEWER: Right.

CHARLES LOVELL: –until I was, well, out of high school.

INTERVIEWER: When you just leave New Windsor?

CHARLES LOVELL: 44, I guess. That’s when I got married.

INTERVIEWER: OK

CHARLES LOVELL: Yeah, I was in Florida. It was 44.

INTERVIEWER 1: Where did you work?

CHARLES LOVELL: I’ve had a lot of jobs. Well, I guess the first place I ever worked was the Shriver’s canning factory. Of course I had kid’s jobs. Ah, mowing grass, and worked in a grocery store. Ooh That sort of thing.

INTERVIEWER 1: And so did you work at the Shriver cannery do you remember about what year that might have been?

CHARLES LOVELL: Well, I worked there when I was old enough to go to work. I think it was like 15 we had to get a permit to be employed there. But everybody in town worked there during the canning season. But I worked there off and on for a good many years.

INTERVIEWER 1: Charles?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: I see that I need to ask you a couple more things.

CHARLES LOVELL: OK.

INTERVIEWER 1: So, I didn’t mean to interrupt the interview quite so soon. But you had mentioned at one time something about a Minute Man organization in New Windsor?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: And that would have been during the war years?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Why did they have that?

CHARLES LOVELL: Well, it was, ah– I think to protect the home people. Everyone else was in the service. And, we, we were part of the National Guard. When they organized this, this Minute Man thing, we, ah, we were sworn in just like in the service.

And, ah, we had our regular duties. We had drill. And we had, ah, rifle practice. And a lot of lectures. First aid and whatnot. But I think we were mostly– At that time they had black-outs and things, things like that. And, ah, we would get together, patrol the streets and what not. See if everyone had, had their lights off. And see if no one was being mole, molested and that sort of thing.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you wear a uniform?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes. We, we were, we were sworn in and given our uniform. We weren’t issued any arms. But I say we had rifle practice. Ah, that was on our own.

INTERVIEWER 1: So, you provided your own gun?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes. We were never issued any– any, uh–

INTERVIEWER 1: When did the Minute Man organization disband or retire?

CHARLES LOVELL: After the war, ah, we, we–

INTERVIEWER 1: After 1945?

CHARLES LOVELL: We all received discharges from the National Guard.

INTERVIEWER 1: That would have been about 1945.

CHARLES LOVELL: I guess it was. I was still in New Windsor then. Yeah, yeah, I was living in New Windsor then.

INTERVIEWER 2: He knows the name of the officers.

INTERVIEWER 1: Now, were there some other people with the Minute Man organization that you remember?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, well, I guess, I knew all. Well, I remember all of them, all of them I guess.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you have a commander?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: Who would that be?

CHARLES LOVELL: Professor Hawkins, our school principal. He was Captain. We had Captain, we had two lieutenants. Jim [INAUDIBLE] was a lieutenant. And another fellow who had been in service, he was a lieutenant.

And we had some other people that had been in service. Regular, regular army. Mostly we’re just local people. I don’t think we were very good soldiers, but, ah. We drilled.

INTERVIEWER 1: Well, if there had been a need you might have risen to the cause.

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes.

INTERVIEWER 1: There were a lot of businesses in New Windsor.

CHARLES LOVELL: Of what?

INTERVIEWER 1: Business. Stores, and businesses in the 1940s. What do you remember of those?

CHARLES LOVELL: Well, I guess the store mostly was called the Ark Store. It’s right across from the Methodist church. Been there for years and years and years. Across from the Dielman Inn. That was a general store. And a couple other general stores on the other streets. And we had a hardware store.

INTERVIEWER 1: What– what did you do for fun?

CHARLES LOVELL: For what?

INTERVIEWER 1: For fun, recreation, and to have a good time.

CHARLES LOVELL: Huh, we didn’t have any organized.

INTERVIEWER 1: OK what about a movie theater?

CHARLES LOVELL: We had a movie and movie theater. And a, it was a combination of movie theater and bowling alley. Most of the time we just went to the theater. We didn’t go to bowling alley.

INTERVIEWER 1: Were there eating places in town?

CHARLES LOVELL: No, not really.

INTERVIEWER: Brownies Corner–

CHARLES LOVELL: Brownies Corner. He served meals after awhile, occasionally Most of the time it was just a strict soda fountain. He and the drug store had to have a soda fountain.

INTERVIEWER 1: Were there any organized baseball teams?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes. Baseball was a big thing. On Saturday afternoon all the farmers stopped working and came to town to watch a ball game. I think every town had a ball team.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did you ever play sports?

CHARLES LOVELL: In school, yes.

INTERVIEWER 2: Smelser’s Mill.

INTERVIEWER: Do you remember Smelser’s Mill?

CHARLES LOVELL: Yes, yes, it’s still there. The building is still there. Yeah, Smelser’s Mill.

INTERVIEWER 1: Did they sell any of their grist or flower in town at any of the stores?

CHARLES LOVELL: They were never in any of those stores. But they sold flour, they milled flour there.

INTERVIEWER 1: So, you could go to the Mill and purchase it?

CHARLES LOVELL: We never did. The flour that we bought up was made locally, or near locally. Around, around New Windsor some place. So no one used, don’t want to use their– their, ah um– My grandfather worked for Smelser for a long time but as a bookkeeper. But of course he felt duty bound to use their product. And he’d bring flour home when my grandmother didn’t like it. So, he ended up giving it to us.

INTERVIEWER: [LAUGHS]

INTERVIEWER 2: Apple Cider.

INTERVIEWER 1: What about Apple cider?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yeah, we had an apple. We’d call it the Apple Factory. They made cider, made good, goods cider. And shipped apples. Yeah, I worked down there are quite a bit too.

INTERVIEWER: Now the Apple factory was located close to the railroad tracks? At the bottom–

CHARLES LOVELL: Right along side, right along side the railroad tracks. Right down from the train station. The people responsible for that place were in connection with Blue Ridge College. And they went together and bought these orchards– Oak Orchard outside of New Windsor. Raised her apples, and brought them in there, and processed them and shipped them out in New Windsor. It was quite a lot to replace them at one But the apple factory, the Freight House, the Freight House did quite a business. And then we had a creamery in New Windsor too. They make butter and that kind of stuff, shipped it off to Baltimore.

INTERVIEWER: Did you remember a Mr. Gere who manufactured enamel top tables?

CHARLES LOVELL: He was in the old apple factory. He took over that after they discontinued the apple factory. He came to town and made ladders. Yeah, he was Mayor of the town at one I think.

INTERVIEWER: Oh, OK.

CHARLES LOVELL: I think he was, yeah. I never knew him personally. I knew who he was, that’s all. Never worked for him.

INTERVIEWER: Where you around when the big fire happened?

CHARLES LOVELL: Which one?

INTERVIEWER: I think the ladder factory burned, didn’t it? In the ’50s?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, no, that was Shrivers that burned, I think. That, oh, yes. That’s where the ladder factory was at one time. Over at Shrivers. In a big warehouse at Shrivers. And, yeah, I remember when it burned. That was quite a fire.

INTERVIEWER: There was a lot of train activity through New Windsor. Do you remember that?

CHARLES LOVELL: Oh, yes. We had, I think, about five mail trains a day through New Windsor. Had a lot of freight business.

INTERVIEWER: OK, Charles, thank you so much for letting us come and have this nice chat with you today.