William Rosier

Iraq War Veteran William Rosier talks about growing up in Carroll County and his admiration for WWII and Vietnam vets.

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TARA HARNETT: Where in Carroll County did you live?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, in the, um, actually a little by the name– it’s called Gaither, but it’s just kind of west of Sykesville. It’s about half a mile from Sykesville, which is a little– when I grew up there was a little town called Gaither. It had a post office in the back of lady’s house. I grew up– grew up in Gaither.

TARA HARNETT: I live in Finksburg. It’s kind of the same thing.

WILLIAM ROSIER: Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

TARA HARNETT: Um, why did you choose to stay or live in Carroll County?

WILLIAM ROSIER: You know, you just set down your roots. Really had no desire to– to– to go anywhere else. So I just stayed there. Still there. Um, who knows?

TARA HARNETT: What is your favorite thing about Carroll County?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Well, at the time when I was growing up, it was, you know, it was very laid back. Kind of , uh, Maybury-esque, if you will. Um, you know, you knew most of the people. You know, my parents worked in Carroll County, at, uh, state hospital.

And, just knew everybody and it was a, you know, very small rural area. You know, I could– I could go out. I could go out during the day, or, you know, in the summertime when I wasn’t in school. And I could be going out for hours at a time and my parents need to worry about me, so it’s, uh, it was just a good way to come up. I lived in a very rural area.

TARA HARNETT: Did you have a job as a teenager?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Uh, yeah, probably. Um, I had lots of jobs. I mowed– I mowed grass for some of the neighbors. And I had some– some fellows that I grew up, their dads had carpenter– they were carpenters. They did construction. And I did some construction work. And worked on a farm. And, um, I had– had lots of, you know, little menial jobs, if you will. But, you know, they– they footed the bill.

TARA HARNETT: Um, what high school did you go to?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Uh, South Carroll.

TARA HARNETT: What was your favorite subject?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, not being in school. Sorry to say that, but not being in school. I– I liked the, uh, I liked the athletic part. Phys Ed and hands-on kind of stuff. But I wasn’t– wasn’t such a– wasn’t such a wonderful student.

TARA HARNETT: What kind of things did you do in Carroll County when you were a teenager?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, actually, um, my, uh, my two grandfathers helped organize the Sykesville Volunteer Fire Department back in the early ’30s. It bled over to my father and my uncles. So at a very early age, I was involved in the, uh, fire service. Probably from the time I was old enough to get up and chase my dad. I used to go on fire calls with my dad, go to the fire house and hang out with my father. Which at the time was on– was on Main Street in Sykesville. So I actually spent most of my free time, um, either at the fire house. When I was old enough, chasing girls. Like– like– like most teenage boys, I guess.

TARA HARNETT: Yep. Um, did you always want to go in the military?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, no I- I- I don’t believe so. I– I don’t think so. I– cause my dad, my dad and his uncles, um, were all World War II veterans. And they–they talked about their experiences very, very, very little. So I don’t think, um, I think my first experiences, I had an uncle who was my, uh– my, uh, mom’s brother who was in the Navy. Went into the Navy. And he’s– he’s the first one I can remember coming home on leave. And the Navy had a pretty sharp uniform then. And it kind of caught my eye. And he’s the one who really actually sparked my interest the first– uh, to first go into the military.

TARA HARNETT: Um, what branch did you serve in?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, actually I served in the, uh, United States Navy from 1969 to 1971. I had a break in service for almost five years– uh, six years. And then, um, I went into the Maryland Army National Guard, located right here in– right here in Westminster.

TARA HARNETT: Um, do you know– why did you pick those things?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Why did I pick–

TARA HARNETT: Why’d you pick the US Navy and the National Guard?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Well, actually I picked– I picked the Navy because of my uncle. Um, and as silly as it sounds, liked the way the uniform looked. Um, I was not having such a wonderful time in high– in high school. And I just thought, uh, Uncle Sam would– would do me much better.

So I elected to go into the Navy and spent, uh, nearly two years in the Navy. Which was– I probably got a better education there than– than I got– would’ve gotten if I’d stayed in high school.

And then it was just very coincidental, um, that I wound up in the National Guard six years later. I knew a recruiter here in Westminster that we just struck up a, uh, casual conversation. And one thing led to another. And he told me I should come and try it, which I did. And turned out to be– turned out to be probably one of the better decisions of my life.

TARA HARNETT: Um, did you get to do any traveling, like overseas, while in the National Guard or the US Navy?

WILLIAM ROSIER: I did. Um, um, in the Navy I got to– uh, after I got out of basic training, I was what they call an aviation motion aid. I was– I worked a flight deck on aircraft carriers. And I got to do a med cruise to the Mediterranean. I rode to Spain and all through the– through the Med region.

And then when, uh– uh, I got out of the Navy and went into the National Guard, um, I’ve traveled to Honduras, El Salvador, Germany. I’ve been to Iraq. Numerous places.

TARA HARNETT: Did you have a favorite place?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, they– they– all– they all had their good points and their bad points. Um, not– not too much– not too much, um, favorite places. Probably the people I served with more so than the– than the places I was at.

TARA HARNETT: OK. Um, what was one of your most favorite memories of when you came home from– for leave?

WILLIAM ROSIER: I guess when I came home from Iraq. Uh, came home from a combat tour. Um, the welcome we got home, and I actually almost felt, you know, kind of guilty about it. Because I’ve got a– uh, I’ve got a really soft sport in my– soft spot in my heart for, uh, World War II veterans. Um, I guess because my father and his uncles were– were World War II veterans. And as Tom Brokaw once said, they were truly the greatest generation.

And– and then, uh, the Vietnam veterans who– who just got treated extremely poor when– when they came home. They didn’t come home as units, they came home as individuals. And they just weren’t treated well.

When we came home, the, you know, the country had kind of taken, you know, from Iraq and Afghanis– Afghanistan– um, the nation has kind of taken a turn. And we’ve went the other direction. And when we came home, we had, uh, we had, uh, honor guard or actually, uh, I believe they call them freedom riders. A motorcycle group that escorted us from, um, Fort Dix, New Jersey, where we– or actually the Air Force base are next to Fort Dix.

We had a motor– motorcycle escort all the way back to Baltimore and there were herds of people there and veterans and flags. And, uh, I just– I just remember the hundreds of people that were– you know, the family members and people in the community were there to greet us.

And– and– and, like I said, I almost felt guilty because of how, you know, the veterans from– from Vietnam were treated, you know, compared to the way we were treated. It just, um– it just kind of always bothered me, so.

TARA HARNETT: As a future film major in college, I would like to ask you your opinion on Hollywood’s interpretation of the military.

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, it– it depends on what you’re watching. um, you talking about movie-wise?

TARA HARNETT: Yeah, movies.

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, there are– there are– the movies that have recently come out, um, Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, although there’s– there’s, um, you know, Hollywood involved in it, you know, to– to hold the audience, they’ve, um, the people that produce those movies did a– did a really excellent job.

The thing that I noticed because as growing up, I always liked military movies, but some of the older– older military movies, if you– if you notice the soldiers, their hands are clean. There’s no dirt underneath their fingernails. And they’re clean and shaved.

If you– if you look at any of the most recent movies– and although the, uh, series Saving Private Ryan, which was an HBO special, um, I guess it’s probably 10 or 12 years old now– if you looked at those guys there’s dirt under the fingernails and they look worn, and haggard, and worn out. And, uh, so I guess it depends on who’s producing the movie. But, you know, some of them are– some of them are done really well, some of them maybe not so much.

TARA HARNETT: Um, do you have any advice for teenagers and young adults going into the military now?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, I would say make sure that, uh, when you go in, you get– you get good advice from– uh, talk to other veterans. Get a good advice from your– from your parents.

Don’t get yourself snowballed by a recruiter who’s just– who just looks as you as–as a number. And, you know, not so much as, you know, looking out for your future. Because there are a lot of great opportunities for young folks in the military to do great things.

But there are also– there are also some MOSes, which is military– military occupational skill that once you– unless you plan on staying in the military all your life, once you get out, there’s– there’s absolutely, you know, no correlation in the civilian life to it.

So you need to make sure if you’re looking for something, you know, past the military that you go in and pick up, uh, you know, some sort of skill that’s going, you know, going to be good to you once you– once you come out.

But just don’t– don’t let yourself get railroaded by a overambitious recruiter, which– which, it’ll happen. It’ll happen. Because those guys– guys and girls are just trying to– you know, they– they have a quota system. They have to make, you know, they have to make numbers. If not, they’re sent to other places. So you just– you just got to be careful that you’re just not a number.

TARA HARNETT: Um, what is one of the most important things you think you learned while serving?

WILLIAM ROSIER: People– leadership, uh, my leadership skills, um, that, um, I was able to pick up. Responsibility. Um, you learn– you learn– you kind of learn who you are. I mean, I’ve really learned– the military helped me learn, uh, who– who I am to become a better leader.

You know, little things like, you know, I tell people– young people– now that if you’re going to be a leader, you can’t lead from the back. You’ve got to lead the front. You know, little things like don’t ever ask people to do things that– that you hadn’t already done and– and won’t do again.

So it’s– the military taught me to be probably an excellent leader. And, um, respect. Respect who, you know, my elders. I have– I have a lot of respect for the, you know, for my– you know, the people that kind of paved the way for me, for where I’m at.

I’ve had the opportunity to meet, uh, you know, through the military, uh, uh, a lot of unique and very interesting and some– some really, really great people.

TARA HARNETT: What did you do after you got out of the National Guard?

WILLIAM ROSIER: I’ve only been retired– I retired in March of 2010– so I’ve been out– been retired, uh, five years now. But I’m still currently working. I work a full time job with– I’m a captain with– with our county fire and rescue, uh, where I’ve been for 30 years. I continue to still work. Have about another 18 months, um, before I retire from the fire department.

And then, uh, I guess life is going to change as I know it now. So I haven’t really decided what I’m going to do, but I’m still working. And, um, and, you know, being in the National Guard, um, most National Guard soldiers do have a– have a job or full time career somewhere.

Which is– which is– which is really something neat because, um, it– it’s– you really have to be a juggler, if you will, and be able to balance, you know, work schedule. Especially you– when you work, um, you know, in fire service or you’re a nurse or work in a police department where you don’t work a normal eight to five job. Um, you work weekends, you work nights.

For example, where I work, I work a 24-hour shift. So, uh, you have– you have to be able to balance your work schedule with drill weekends, and being deployed, and all that s– all that kind of stuff.

TARA HARNETT: Um, what is your favorite part about working at the fire department?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, public service. I just– I’ve just always been involved, like I said earlier, probably since I was old enough to stand up and run. Um, you know, the public service end. I– I– I’m kind of a, uh, type A personality. Um, you just– the thrill. The thrill and the excitement.

But it’s– it’s– it’s a public service, you know, being a– and I don’t really like the term, you know, I want to help people, um, but it’s– it’s kind of what it is. Getting out there and being able to help people with, you know, but it’s the inner type A personality as well. Which– which suits you well in that line of work.

TARA HARNETT: Um, what are some activities that you do around Carroll County now?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, you know, I’m kind of a self-proclaimed work-a-holic. Uh, I– I work a lot. Um, probably more than I should. I– I don’t do, other than– other than live in Carroll County. Now I do like to– I do like to ride a motorcycle. My wife and I ride. So, you know, we ride through Carroll County and– and, um, but other than that I, um, uh, I stay so busy. Normally when I’m– when I’m not working, I’m not relaxing.

TARA HARNETT: Um, do you hope to influence others to join the US Navy or the National Guard?

WILLIAM ROSIER: No. I don’t, uh– I’ve never claimed to be a recruiter. And if– if a young person, young man or young woman, come up to me and ask me about the military, I’m– I’m more than happy to volunteer information. And help them and guide them along the way. But, um, I don’t, uh, I don’t like to try to push people.

If somebody is– is strong on it and wants to know, you know, about the military. Things they can get into, and all the ins and outs, yeah, I’m more than– more than happy to help them. But, um, I’m not one to go out and, you know, pluck people off the street and say, you know what, you should be in the– you should be in the military. That’s– that, you know, that’s the job for a recruiter there. They’re, you know, they’re kind of a special talent for that.

TARA HARNETT: Um, I just lost my question. What is it like knowing that you save lives?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, it’s kind of humbling. It’s humbling. Um, I’ve never been, uh, you know, the fire service and even in the military, your, you know, there’s– it takes– it takes all kind of people to make the world go round.

My,uh, my dad, who is– who is, um, he’s gone now. But he always had a favorite saying that, uh, you know what, there’s a lot of different people in the world. That’s why– that’s why they make 31 flavors of ice cream because everybody don’t like chocolate. , So, you know, there’s a flavor for everybody. And that’s– that’s kind of the way people are.

In– in my line of work, there’s, um, we have chest beaters and we have people that go along and, uh, just do their job and go into the next call. Um, but it’s, you know, to– to influence whether somebody may live or die, or saving their property, it’s, uh, it can be very, very humbling.

TARA HARNETT: Um, how has Carroll County changed since you were a teenager, young adult to now?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Oh, my goodness. You don’t have that much time. It’s, um, actually, when I was growing up, in the– in the lower what we used to call the– we had– it was always a running joke that where I lived, they called it the lower end of– of Carroll County. And, um, you pretty much– I– I couldn’t– I couldn’t go out and get into mischief because everybody knew who I was. You just– everybody knew everybody.

Um, that was– when I was growing up there was– uh, there was no stoplights in Eldersburg. There was a couple stop signs but there was no stoplights. If you wanted to go to a fast food place, you had the go all the way over to– into Ballmer County to [INAUDIBLE] to, you know, to get a hamburger after eight o’ clock at night.

But, um, just– just the way it’s grown. I mean, there’s shopping malls, and strip malls, and shopping centers, and fast food, and just townhouses and homes. And so, so many people and so much traffic in Carroll County.

It’s,uh, uh, I’m not sure if it’s– kids don’t have the opportunity that I did that, you know, one– my mother on Saturday morning would kick me out of the house and tell me, don’t come back till dark. And, you know, you do that to your kid today, you know, you’d be just parents jerking about, where they at and are they safe.

TARA HARNETT: Um, tell me one of your favorite memories as a child growing up in Carroll County.

WILLIAM ROSIER: I– I think just living, like I say, living living where I lived, I actually grew up right on the Howard-Carroll county line. Um, uh, again, in a very rural area. And there was a– there was a railroad track that actually ran right next to our property, the B&O Railroad. And um, I probably shouldn’t say this out loud cause my mother’s still alive and she– well, she knows now but she can’t catch me. She’s too old to run.

So, um, as a– as a child I used to, uh, uh– I had– I had a cousin who lived, um, a couple miles below me down in Sykesville. And I had friends that lived kind of west of [INAUDIBLE] and my main means of transportation was hopping trains. Which was– which was totally illegal and extremely dangerous.

And– and, uh, I can remember my mother was up, was a nurse over to Springfield Hospital. And she was, uh, you’d have to know my mother. But she grew up in Fayetteville, North Carolina, she’s– so she’s a– she’s a hillbilly. I mean, I love her to death but she’s a hillbilly.

She told me one time, boy if I ever catch you on a train, I’m going to beat you to death. I’m too smart. You ain’t– you ain’t never going to catch me. You’re never going to catch me on a train.

And I’d– I’d hopped– I’d hopped a train one day to go see somebody. And, um, couple hours later hopped another train going west to– to come home. And my mother was home standing in the front yard. And I’m standing on a– on a flat car like George Washington crossing the Potomac.

And I look up and see my, uh, see my mother’s standing in the front yard. And I thought, oh, I’m– I’m so busted. Actually, that’s not what I said. I just actually said, ah shit, I’m– I’m had.

And, uh, so, I guess at the time I was 13, maybe– 12, 13 years old. So in my infinite wisdom, I thought, well she’s not going to get me. So I actually jumped off the train on the opposite side of the track. But when I jumped off, I rolled a stone. And I broke my ankle and I was– I was bleeding everywhere.

And I can remember sitting up and looking under the train enough just to– to see my mother leaning down and looking under the train. And I’m thinking– I look down and my foot was turned– turned around backwards. And, uh, she just stood there watching me, and when– and of course, back in those days, we had family doctor and he made house calls.

And she came over and snatched me up by the collar and drove me across the track. And my– my foot’s kind of dangling and, of course, I’m crying and carrying on. And I told her, I said, mom, you gotta take me to Dr Halls. And I’m just crying and carrying on, of course. I’m bleeding all over the place.

And she says, I’m not taking you anywhere until I clean you up. So she proceeds to take me in the bathroom, get and old, rough washrag out and a bottle of alcohol. And proceeds to clean my wounds up with alcohol. So, um, if you want to call that a fond memory, but– my mother’s, uh, my– and she’s still alive. My– my mother was a– she’s a hard lady. She’s a hard lady. But I love her to death.

TARA HARNETT: I understand that. Um, can you tell me one of your favorite melo- memories when you were enlisted in the US Navy or the National Guard?

WILLIAM ROSIER: You know what, I think there’s so many– probably the soldiers that I’ve– I’ve served with. Um, served with a– a lot of great soldiers. But, I think I was very lucky to meet, um– and anybody that knows any, um, probably have been around Carroll County [INAUDIBLE]. Um, I had the opportunity to– to meet and actually become friends with, um, a gentleman by the name of Joe Farinholt.

Joe Farinholt was a World War II veteran who ran across Normandy Beach on D-Day. Was in– was in the second wave. Um, and Joe was the only enlisted man in the history of the United States military to win four silver stars in one campaign. He was– he was– the only one ever do that.

Um, I didn’t realize, um, at the time, he used to play semi-pro football for the Carroll County Chargers. Um, and I think now– I think they’re still around, but I think they’re called– I think they’re called the Carroll County Cannons now. But it used to be– used to be the Carroll County Chargers.

We used to play, uh, right over here at Westminster High School. That was our home field. Joe act– Joe actually was, um, part owner of that organization. So I played– I actually played football for Joe. It didn’t– you know, I was interested in playing football and not ownership and all that stuff.

Joe actually showed up at our unit– our unit which was over on Holland Road at time. Well, it’s still there. He showed up one day, him and his wife Reg. Um, showed up in his walker and Reg kind of, you know, waddling along behind him.

And he was actually looking for a place for– for the 29th Division Association. Which is like a group of– it’s like an American Legion post except it’s actually, um, soldiers from the 29th Infantry Division. They were looking for a place to meet. Um, we chatted and told him, I said, you know, whatever we can do to help you.

So Joe– Joe kind of became a mainstay in our unit. He’d– he’d show up on drill weekends and talk to the soldiers. When we’d come from annual training, he would– him and his wife– would be there to greet us.

So over time, Joe would actually tell us– he would tell us stories. When I’d be– cause being the first sergeant there, you just, you know, people would talk about the National Guard. And they, uh, they think it’s only, you know, one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer, but as you get up in rank, it don’t work that way.

You have to go in there two or three times during the week and then nighttime. And there’s just different things. So I was there a lot when– when Joe would come in. And Joe kept telling stories about winning the Silver Stars. Well, every time he told the story, it would change.

So I said to one of the full time individuals– one of my full time soldiers that worked in the unit– I said, there’s something going on there. Either– either Joe’s getting Alzheimer’s and forgetting– forgetting his stories, Joe’s a liar, which I hope he’s not, or he’s done something pretty extraordinary.

So one day in the unit, I actually asked Joe, um, do you happen to have copies of– copies of your Silver Star citations. And– and he grinned and said, yeah, I do. I have– I have some in my car.

So I said, could I make copies. So, all this kinda of transpired over like 18 months. We sent everything that he had given us away to the department of the Army. Took about 18 months. Finally, the department of the Army called us back and said, um, not sure where you found this guy, but he’s legit. He’s done something very, very unique, um, and you need to hold onto him.

And he consequently– he wound up getting– Joe wound up getting a lot of recognition, which– which was way past due. His family didn’t even know the– the things that he was involved with in World War II.

As a matter of fact, if anybody’s ever seen the movie Saving Private Ryan, the very last scene in the movie where they’re– where they’re– soldiers, the American soldiers in a town that’s getting overrun. Joe was actually involved in an incidence very– very similar to that. Where they were at a place called, uh, Boren, Germany.

Uh, they were surrounded, they were being overrun. And, uh, the soldiers of these units were dropping like flies. He– he got sh– actually shot. He had 32 holes and he got shot– uh, shot by a tank. His leg was almost torn off.

So Joe wound up getting a– getting– wound up getting a lot of recognition. So I think of all the individuals I ever meet, and, you know, all my– all my soldiers that I ever served with were great soldiers. But Joe was– Joe was pretty unique, you know, to actually talk to somebody who– who knew people and talked to people that you only read about in history.

He had the opportunity to talk to General Pratt– Patton, and General Eisenhower, and Hab Gerhardt, who was a, uh, who was a 29th Division commander. You know, he talked– he talked to people that I– that I only ever read about.

So, but Joe– Joe, too. He’s gone. Uh, he’s gone. Matter of fact, Joe, when he passed away in 2000, they wound up renaming the 5th Regiment Armory, uh, the drill fort down there is actually named after Joe. And Joe was a long-time Carroll County resident.

TARA HARNETT: Um, did you win any awards and can you tell us about it?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Yeah.

TARA HARNETT: Can tell us about them?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Well, that’s what most of this is. Um, not a– not a, again, not a great chest beater. Some of the– some of things that I wear are– are just gimmies you get– uh, you get for serving. Um, I actually have a Bronze Star for valor. For, um, I don’t want to call it heroics, but, uh, my actions– some of my actions in– in– when I served in Iraq.

Um, but, and I have a Legion of Merit which is– which is actually pretty hard to come by. Um, I have a state award, uh, that– um, for pulling a woman and her child out of– out of a car, were involved in a car accident.

So, um, again, I don’t– I don’t like to toot my own bugle. But, um, I’ve received, you know, a lot of awards, and we’ll just– we’ll leave it at that. How about that?

TARA HARNETT: OK. Um, can you tell me more about being overseas?

WILLIAM ROSIER: Um, yeah. I– I’ll tell you, um, I think being in the act– well even being in inactive duty, being in that– being in the military, period. When you serve what they call CONUS, which is the continental United States, CONUS deployment. Um, when you– when you train in the United States, when you go to a range to fire a weapon, um, it’s very, very controlled.

Um, when you go to a range, I always laugh at, uh– uh, you go to a range and make soldiers because they have– they have range safeties, and the people that run the range and they control every movement so– so people don’t inadvertently get shot. And they actually make– they actually make soldiers almost scared to touch their weapons.

When I went overseas, we actually flew in. Um, we flew from Fort Dix. Then we flew into, uh, um, not Holland– ah, Scotland. We flew into Scotland. We had a couple-hour layover in Scotland. And then we flew to, um, Camp Buehring, which is in, uh, Kuwait.

So we spent, uh– when we first got to Kuwait, we got there in the middle of the night. So there were– the raid bus was there, they had buses waiting on us. And we were, you know, everybody’d been up– I don’t know, at this point we’d been up 28, 29 hours. And, uh, being a first sergeant, you know, they– when you go someplace, they always look for– normally, they don’t look for– they don’t look for a commissioned officer. They look for a senior years NCO.

And when we first got over, there was a little compact vehicle and, uh, two guys- three guys– got out of it. And they came over and said, First Sergeant, we need a– we need a designated shooter off each bus. I said, uh, what do you mean? He said, I need somebody with a weapon off each bus. I said, OK.

So I took myself, and I was riding on the first bus. Just went and grabbed seven other individuals. And they started handing out– they started handing out ammunition. And I’m thinking, hm,this– this is odd. And he said to me– uh, they gave us a briefing. Said that, you guys are the– you guys are the designated shooters.

When we convoy from here to Camp Buehring, and the airport was called Ali Al Salem. And when we flew from Ali Al Salem, um, to Camp Buehring, uh, the individuals that were giving us a briefing said, any vehicles at all try to get between these buses while we’re convoying, you shoot through the window and you kill him.

And we all kind of looked around at each other. And one of the young soldiers said, well, what do you mean? And this– this staff sergeant said, what part of shoot through the window and kill them don’t you understand? Somebody tries to get through the– get in the middle of these buses, you shoot through the window and kill them.

And I think that was the first realization I thought, wow, I guess I’m really here. Um, it was– uh, it was pretty enlightening. And I know– I know every– I know every soldier was going, I hope to christ nobody gets between these buses cause I’m not sure I can shoot through the window and kill somebody or not. So, it was, uh, it was pretty enlightening.

TARA HARNETT: Thank you very much.

WILLIAM ROSIER: You’re– you’re quite welcome.